denvaar 4 days ago | next |

One other thing about Lael that I don't think the article mentioned is that on top of being an amazing ultra-endurance cyclist, she also has had to deal with lots of respiratory problems. I don't remember if it's Asthma or what, but her lungs literally shut down at times. This makes it even more impressive to me.

EDIT: It's Asthma - https://youtu.be/h0hkoee6sI8?si=NaR4GZjUppQE78xm

lostlogin 4 days ago | root | parent |

I’ve read about the prevalence of chest infections on other long events (Tour de France). I’ve just been searching and can’t find any supporting evidence.

Breathing very hard for hours at a time for days on end would seem to have consequences

jdietrich 4 days ago | root | parent | next |

Athletes in most sports report significantly above-average rates of asthma. Athletes with an asthma diagnosis generally outperform their non-asthmatic rivals. Some of that is almost certainly confounded by the fact that many asthma medications - most notably salbutamol - are performance-enhancing drugs; an asthma diagnosis allows an athlete to take drugs under a therapeutic use exemption that would otherwise result in a ban.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4653278/

https://breathe.ersjournals.com/content/12/2/148

vjk800 4 days ago | root | parent | next |

> Some of that is almost certainly confounded by the fact that many asthma medications - most notably salbutamol - are performance-enhancing drugs; an asthma diagnosis allows an athlete to take drugs under a therapeutic use exemption that would otherwise result in a ban.

I think all of it might be explained by this. At least to me it was always "common knowledge" that many athletes find a doctor willing to diagnose them with asthma so that they can get the medication.

Lio 4 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Some of that is almost certainly confounded by the fact that many asthma medications - most notably salbutamol - are performance-enhancing drugs; an asthma diagnosis allows an athlete to take drugs under a therapeutic use exemption that would otherwise result in a ban.

That's not true at all.

WADA does not require a therapeutic usage order for normal usage salbutamol. Anyone who needs it can use it at the dosages required to control asthma.

At these dosages it has not been shown to improve performance, as mentioned in the abstract of the first link you cited.

Further I would offer [1],[2] and [3] as evidence for why you are wrong. Salbutamol does not improve performance at normal dosages.

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6135409/

2. https://thorax.bmj.com/content/56/9/675

3. https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files...

carl_dr 4 days ago | root | parent | next |

They don’t take it at normal dosages.

A test showed that they couldn’t get 12 trained cyclists to have a level above 510ng/ml in their urine, when they took salbutamol at the maximum WADA level of 600ug in an 8 hour period. [1]

The WADA threshold for salbutamol is 1,000ng/ml [2] So this level is about twice the level performance tested in your first link above.

Athletes can get TUEs for levels higher than the 1,000ng/ml limit or to take it using other methods than inhaling. [2]

Cyclists have been banned for having levels at 1,900ng/ml and 1,320ng/ml, and they were banned because the sport considers it a performance enhancing drug.

I imagine (but have no evidence, since they aren't published) that cyclists with a TUE regularly race with levels similar or above that. And without spending hours researching, I imagine this translates to other sports similarly.

[1] https://respiratory-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...

[2] https://ita.sport/uci-therapeutic-use-exemptions/

vjk800 4 days ago | root | parent | prev |

1) Even if it doesn't improve performance, athletes might still think it does and try to get the asthma medication. It might surprise you how much lore and voodoo surrounds professional sports. People are willing to try almost anything if it has even a small chance to improve performance by 1%. Also, both of the studies you linked are quite new. Athletes have been obtaining (possibly false) asthma diagnoses for decades.

2) Maybe they don't use normal doses. As long as they get the prescription, they can take however much they want, right?

3) A few studies might not be enough to thoroughly prove that there's no effect under all possible circumstances. Again, as long as there is even a small amount of hope of it helping, many athletes are willing to try it.

lostlogin 4 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |

To add to my comment which I can’t now edit.

On the Netflix series ‘Tour de France: Unchained’ there is mention of the cyclists getting run down, losing weight and getting chest infections.

This seems to be a thing, though upper respiratory tract infections, ‘the cyclists cough’ seem better documented.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81153133

https://www.kheljournal.com/archives/2020/vol7issue6/PartD/7...

seadan83 4 days ago | root | parent |

That makes sense for tour de France. They spend a lot of time attacking and then conserving energy. The attacks are zone 5 (hr) efforts. High toll on the body and immune system. Endurance athletes ride differently, they avoid higher power zones and focus on max efficiency from which the body can more easily recover.

Key to it, exertion and recovery are non linear. Lael likely can push 300 watts at zone 2. For comparison, a strong amateur cyclist can push 300 watts only for about 15 minutes (and would be in zone 4 - very likely exhausted the following day)

The focus in ultra endurance is extreme efficiency. Extreme aerobic and metabolic fitness.

Bottom line, tour de france riding and ultra endurance are quite different. The athletes from one to the other do not necessarily do well in the other mode of riding.

googlehater 4 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |

therapeutic use exemption for salbutamol. same reason the entire norwegian winter olympic team "has asthma". or why the a ton of russian athletes "had ischemia" and needed meldonium. or why many gymnasts "have ADHD"

all your favorite athletes are cheating, especially from rich countries :)

Lio 4 days ago | root | parent |

What are you talking about? You don't need a therapeutic use exemption to use salbutamol at the doesages required to control asthma. It does not improve performance.

Breathing cold air does induce asthma, so it's perfectly plausible that everyone on the Norwegian Olympic team could have exercise induced asthma and not be gaining any advantage from it.

Stop casually mixing genuinely asthmatic athletes using, non-controlled, non-performance enhancing medicines with state sponsored dopers.

neogodless 4 days ago | prev | next |

Just doing napkin math, that's 166.7 miles per day. Given the cited 12 hour days, that's 13.9 miles per hour.

(Or 28968.19 km, 268 km / day, 22.4 km / hour.)

EDIT: Some more detail from her Instagram[0]

108 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes

18,125 miles

630,000 feet of climbing

[0] https://www.instagram.com/stories/laelwilcox/345586796087577...

lostlogin 4 days ago | root | parent | next |

That rate isn’t that impressive in isolation, but in a 12 hour day, drink refills, toilet breaks, food etc will add up, so the average moving speed would be considerably higher for sure.

Doing a long ride is one thing, doing it 108 times in a row is quite another.

milch 4 days ago | root | parent |

She also self imposed a few rules that as far as I know aren't required for the world record, like no drafting. She had a ton of people meet her on the way that she could've drafted off of to conserve her energy, but she didn't. Another fun fact, she rides without padded shorts! I was listening to her podcast on the way to work every day, which was pretty interesting

seadan83 4 days ago | root | parent | prev |

There are a few different records for around the world.

This is the self supported, solo, womens record. No drafting is required for that record.

zxexz 4 days ago | root | parent |

Isn't that what the commenter you're replying to was talking about? There is no restriction against drafting, but Lael still imposed a restriction on herself against it. Pretty impressive!

seadan83 4 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |

For the record Lael was going for, there is a restriction.

Drafting would be allowed for a team effort, which would be multiple cyclists.

I don't understand therefore why you write: "There is no restriction against drafting"

Lael has imposed additional restrictions on herself in previous races in response to criticisms. This is not an example of that.

FWIW, the solo self supported record is viewed as the most challenging bikebacking/touring achievement - and around the world the longest. It is amazing

milch 4 days ago | root | parent |

I tried to find the rules on the Guinness website, but they don't list any. Wikipedia just says that the world record doesn't distinguish between self supported and supported riders. I believe in any case it is kind of moot since there is no way for anyone to verify whether the rider drafted or not, and I haven't been able to find any faster "supported" women's records. The men's is held by a rider who did it supported in about 80 days

seadan83 2 days ago | root | parent |

TLDR:

(1) Wikipedia lists as one of the rules to not draft. That is the 5 bicycle length minimum distance provision [2].

(2) think of fastest-known-times (FKTs) like sailing around the world. Guiness does not list them all, guiness is not the authority of them. Some FKTs are well known, others are niche. Like how fast to race down your neighborhood street could have a FKT and you could be the holder of it. The authority is potentially just the local community. For bikepacking, there is not one single authority like Guiness. FWIW, trackleaders.com [3] is a pretty well known tracker for bicycle FKTs. For most races, the race organizer might keep track of the FKTs by year and overall FKTs.

(3) bikepacking is somewhat underground. There is essentially no money in it, there is low formality. There are only a half dozen or so professional bikepackers total, in the world [source: to my knowledge and recollection of GCN stating exactly that]

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Longer, more detailed response: Bikepacking (aka bicycle touring) is somewhat underground. The offroad crown jewel race for bikepacking and self supported is often considered the Tour Divide (TD). The equivalent big paved races are the Trans-Am and the Trans-Con. Their rules are effectively the reference for those categories.

To describe the underground nature, to enter the TD: there is no fee, just show up, get a GPS tracker and ride it. There is no prize money, there is usually no crowd at the finish line, there is usually no news coverage of the race. Niche bike media will certainly cover the races, but there won't be a headline in the newspaper about the races and its winners like there would be for the tour de france. The UCI has no jurisdiction on these events. The underground nature is what makes Guiness records kind of moot. It is like saying you can be the best in the world at a sport, and hold records, without that sport also being in the olympics.

Specifically the record in question is tracked as the Fastest-Known-Time (FKT). AFAIK there is no authority on the bevy of FKTs. There are an infinite number of them, and with a number of variations. You could clock how fast it takes to cycle across your home town and be the FKT holder for that. Though, some FKTs are more important than others. Some other big ones are the FKT across europe (both east west and north south), and also for example the FKT along the north south length of Africa.

Trackleaders.com [3] is something of an unofficial-official tracker for these records and events. Trackleaders is not comprehensive, but is typically accepted as a way to record an FKT attempt.

Mark Beaumont is the holder the record for both supported and unsupported (mens) around the world rides. I don't know who holds the record for supported female around the world. It could be that there is no FKT for female supported around the world.

In interviews with Mark Beaumont before he did the supported record, he certainly distinguished between the supported and unsupported record. That wikipedia does not list the differences is immaterial. There are potential additional categories that could be listed, such as tandem and single speed (and perhaps even more whacky like bmx bike or penny farthing. For all of which as far as I know there is no known fastest times). The bicycle community certainly draws a big distinction between supported and unsupported. Tour de France is a highly supported race. Self supported vs supported is the difference between Trans-Am and RAAM (race across america). It is a vast difference between self supported.

This is all similar for how there are a variety of FKTs for sailing around the world. There are FKTs for sailing solo, team, engine powered, sail (wind), and human powered (eg: kayak).

The rules for self supported are usually considered to be those from the Tour Divide [1]

Thus, guiness is not the authority for the rules of this event. Wikipedia not saying anything is just wikipedia being incomplete.

Wiki does list rules for unsupported, namely this: "These rules require riders to be alone for the entire ride, with a minimum 5-bicycle-length distance from any other riders or support vehicles." [2] That rule IS the no drafting provision. 5 bike lengths is commonly considered as the not drafting distance for many bike races. EG: Notably no-draft triathlons.

> I believe in any case it is kind of moot since there is no way for anyone to verify whether the rider drafted or not

I believe this is mostly false for the case of how Lael rode. It is not moot. Lots of eye witnesses. The intent is that the rider is not going to be drafting for hours at a time - that confidently did not happen.

At a pedantic level, it might not be possible to maintain 5 bike lengths for the entire duration, for every moment. To the extent that this is an underground sport, nobody cares because the hard thing is riding around the world. If a person unwillingly drafted for a few minutes is inconsequential. There is a level of honor code at play. The intent is the important part, that any (unintentional) drafting was not a significant factor out of the thousand some hours of riding.

So, the intent of self supported is for sure that you won't be drafting for significant stretches of time or distance (per guidelines/rules listed in the TD. TD usually being considered authoritative for this style of riding). Lael was in remote places, there are going to be no other cyclists around to draft behind. What is more, her live location was publicly available and plenty of eye witnesses - meaning that this aspect could have been validated at any time and was validated by the eye witnesses who oversaw large stretches of her ride.

[1] https://tourdivide.org/the_rules

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_world_cycling_rec...

[3] https://trackleaders.com/

durkie 4 days ago | root | parent | prev |

I think it’s an ambiguity in how the GP worded it. Since it’s a solo record, they could have also written it: “that record requires no drafting”

soared 4 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |

13.9 miles an hour is extremely impressive for any time over a couple hours. I’m an avid cyclist and average 15 mph over 2 hours and can’t imagine putting up those numbers.

IncreasePosts 4 days ago | prev | next |

Did she though? I was certainly surprised to see that the furthest east she got in Asia is Tbilisi, and then started up again in Perth. That is 71 degrees of longitude where the bike was not cycled. Before you ask, yes, I am a lot of fun at parties.

netsharc 4 days ago | root | parent | next |

I suppose, for your satisfaction, she has go to the North Pole and do a 10 second loop around the axis...

But indeed looking for a map of her around-the-world trip might be an exercise in futility..

Oh here it is https://content.rapha.cc/us/en/story/laels-ride-around-the-w...

reustle 4 days ago | root | parent |

Oh wow, that is a pretty huge gap. I went around the world by train, and tried to get as close as reasonably possible: https://reustle.org/rtw

That said, border crossings and geopolitical situations are ever changing, and since she was timed, I can see the complexity.

LikeBeans 4 days ago | prev | next |

What an impressive feat. Sometimes makes you wonder how far the human body can adapt. It would also be cool to see a sped up video of what she saw. Say one hour representing the 108 days...

lostlogin 4 days ago | root | parent | prev |

> Sometimes makes you wonder how far the human body can adapt

Her, maybe, I don’t believe most of us could approach that feat.

globular-toast 4 days ago | root | parent |

Doing it in that time? Certainly not! But doing it at all? I reckon most people should be able to do it in like 4-5x the time. It would just cost a lot of money because she's not working or finding food/water/shelter along the way. I've walked 100s of miles over several weeks. You realise after a couple of days you could keep going indefinitely. Money is the limiting factor.

brudgers 4 days ago | prev | next |

Reminds me of this youtube rabbit hole I fell down a couple of years ago.

https://youtu.be/Z0wAPztOO2U?si=alP5fQNRNAyPYrkj

virgulino 4 days ago | root | parent |

RIP Iohan Gueorguiev, my tragic cycling poet! He is a great inspiration, as an earthling, as a human being and as a cyclist.

https://www.cyclingabout.com/tribute-to-iohan-gueorguiev-bik...

Fricken 4 days ago | root | parent | next |

Interesting , his ashes were scattered at Grey Creek Pass, the highest point on the trans-canada trail, between Nelson and Kimberly in the lower mainland of BC. I completed a 10-day tour from Vancouver to Edmonton 2 weeks ago, and we got absolutely slammed with rain, hail, sleet and subzero temps up on that pass.

My partner and I rode 1671 km total over the 10 days, and on Day 9 we pushed ourselves and logged 290 Km between the Mosquito Creek Hostel on the icefields parkway and the town of Lodgepole. It was a personal daily distance record for me, but an average day for Lael on her round-the-world tour.

She passed through Vancouver on the 19th, which was 2 days before I landed in Van to begin my ride. She had about 100 Vancouver cyclists riding with her a ways through the city.

lostlogin 4 days ago | root | parent |

That’s a long way.

It’s interesting how I feel after a long ride (and I haven’t been much over 100 miles).

Sort of empty for a few days following. Hitting hills or long flights of stairs doesn’t stop me, but my heart rate won’t go up enough to move quickly.

Doing that every day for 1/3 of a year is phenomenal.

zeagle 4 days ago | root | parent | prev |

I saw Iohan fly past me walking on the KVR once, although I didn't realize it until I watched one of his videos and recognized the bike and flare on it. His suicide was so tragic. It's amazing how so many people from different walks of life can feel a kindred connection to him through his videos. RIP.

gcanyon 4 days ago | prev |

When I was in my 20s I rode the coast of California. I did back-to-back centuries (>100 miles) for maybe 4-5 days in a row at one point. Granted that was self-supported, with loaded panniers front and back, but I can't imagine doing 170 miles per day for months on end.

I'm curious how much route was a factor here. In the Race Across America (RAAM) they've used several different routes, and even apart from distance it's clear that the fastest route is 10-20% faster than the slowest they've used.

Fricken 4 days ago | root | parent | next |

The route wasn't much of a factor. To meet the parameters set out by Guiness world records people she had to log at least 18,000 miles, was not allowed to count miles that work against her general easterly direction, and had to end the trip in the same place she began. So she sought routes that mostly kept her off of highways and bad roads. She skipped Asia entirely.

gcanyon 4 days ago | root | parent |

I think it has to have been a significant factor just in general. And now I checked the route the previous record-holder rode, and it's a very different story: https://jenny-graham.com/round-the-world/ tl;dr: rain, riding at night, sleeping out in the cold. And I just noticed that article has the average miles per day, which ranges from a high of 184 to a low of 117 -- so the route can obviously affect performance by a factor of 1.5 or more.

awjlogan 4 days ago | root | parent | prev |

She chose a route that was "fun" (at least, for some value of fun when riding 270 km a day!), rather than the shortest/easiest route (it's in the article). As it is probably a once in a lifetime trip, she wanted to enjoy it as well as getting the result.